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RT (74.190.23.66) on 11/30/2010 - 4:33 p.m. says: ( 88 views )

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http://www.thewareaglereader.com/2010/11/the-iron-bowl-comeback-or-collapse/

 Dean Jolley weighs in again from TWER.

One of the interesting features of this year’s Iron Bowl is the

apparently radically different views of the game:  for Auburn fans, a

sublime comeback, or Bama fans, a dreadful collapse.  But which was

it—comeback or collapse?

Both.

Creatures like us, human beings, see themselves as agents, as the

doers of deeds—at least, that way of seeing ourselves has (necessarily

and typically) had priority over seeing ourselves as patients, the

sufferers of deeds.  Events in which I see myself as meaningfully

involved are events in which I see myself as an agent.  What happens I

take to be the result of successes of mine or of failures of mine.  If I

cannot take what happens to be the result of successes or failures of

mine, then I cannot take what happens as really involving me

meaningfully.

So—consider the play in which A. C. Carter chased down Mark Ingram

and punched the ball from Ingram’s grasp, resulting in a touchback. 

Notice that I described this event in the way that I think AU fans

would, as Carter would.  He was the agent in the event, he made things

happen.  But from Ingram’s point of view, or a Bama fan’s, Ingram is the

agent and he failed to keep something from happening.  For Carter, he

succeeded in stripping the ball; for Ingram, he failed to tuck the ball

away.  This explains why I imagine that Carter must feel he did

something crucial to help win the game and Ingram must feel he failed to

do something crucial that helped to lose the game.  Who is right?  Both

are, I think.  From the point of view of agency, a point of view that

both Carter and Ingram will take on the play, one succeeded and the

other failed.  That means that the answer to the question, who is

responsible for the contribution of that play to AU winning and Bama

losing must be:  both.  Carter did something great, Ingram failed to do

something necessary—in that way each contributed to the result of the

game.

My point in all this is simply to remind fans on both sides that

there will never be agreement about whether the game was a comeback (AU

as the agent who succeeded) or collapse (Bama as the agent who

failed).   Could Bama have won if they had succeeded on plays where they

failed?  Yes.  Could Auburn have lost if they failed on plays where

they succeeded?  Yes.  Can AU fans see the outcome of the game simply as

the result of Bama failures?  No—because to do so would be to rob AU of

agency.  Can Bama fans see the outcome of the game simply as the result

of AU successes?  No—for the same reason mutatis mutandis.

For AU fans to complain that Bama fans cannot admit that they got

beat, well that may or may not be right.  If the AU fan means that Bama

fans won’t acknowledge that the score of the game was 28-27, then the AU

fan is right to complain, the Bama fan would have to be crazy.  That

was the score. If he means that the Bama fan should recognize that the

flip-side of many of their failures are AU successes, then is right to

complain (but he must also return the favor, recognizing the flip-side

Bama failures in AU successes.  But if the AU fan means that the Bama

fan refuses to see the games as nothing but a series of AU successes (at

least after halftime), then the AU fan should recognize that he is

requiring the Bama fan to stop being what he is, a Bama fan, someone who

sees Bama as the agent, not as the patient, as the successful or

unsuccessful doer of deeds, not as the sufferer of them.

Dr. Jolley is a philosophy professor at Auburn University. He

works in the theory of judgment, the history of 20th-century

philosophy, metaphilosophy and philosophical psychology.

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"I think it is safe to say that while the South is hardly Christ-centered, it is most certainly Christ-haunted."
  "All human nature vigorously resists grace because grace changes us and the change is painful."
Flannery O'Connor

 

 

 

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